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. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> but why doesn't the market care? let's find out right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's time square, i'm melissa lee. here are tonight's top three trades. solving the apple mystery. want to know what's behind apple's troubles this week? we here at "fast" have gotten to the bottom of the selloff. we'll tell you what it means. plus, freeport fizzles. the fine print on why the company's two big buys are raising big red flags. >>> and nat gas revolution, the government says exporting nat gas could be a game changer for america's economy, but at what cost? we'll take a deeper dive to find some answers. but first, our top story tonight. >>> everyone cares about the fiscal cliff, except, seemingly, the markets. just 25 days until the year end deadline and still no deal out of washington. still stocks quietly climb higher. the dow closing today at a one-month high. what gives? just an assumption that a deal -- >> it almost gets back to that you never short. we're all waiting for some type of closu
. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> but why doesn't the market care? let's find out right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's time square, i'm melissa lee. here are tonight's top three trades. solving the apple mystery. want to know what's behind apple's troubles this week? we here at "fast" have gotten to the bottom of the selloff. we'll tell you what it means. plus, freeport fizzles....
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it is the fiscal cliff. if we go over that, if all the tax cuts expire, if we have the sequester, if we don't extend payroll tax relief and unemployment benefits, we will end up at the end of 2013 with about over 3 million fewer jobs than we would have had otherwise. just imagine that. the fiscal cliff is going cost the economy in that order of magnitude, 3 million jobs. we should not, not, not go over that cliff. now -- >> by the same token, though, his point about -- and i don't want to make this about ed. the fact remains that the debt levels we have in this country in effect put a cap on growth right now. >> sure, sure, sure. i think that economists have been saying for years -- i have said repeatedly, economists on both sides of the aisle have said repeatedly what we need is a long-term plan for deficit reduction that begins to take effect when the economy is closer to its capacity. right now it's at least 6% below its capacity. the unemployment rate, 7.7, it should be like 5.7 at capacity. we should no
it is the fiscal cliff. if we go over that, if all the tax cuts expire, if we have the sequester, if we don't extend payroll tax relief and unemployment benefits, we will end up at the end of 2013 with about over 3 million fewer jobs than we would have had otherwise. just imagine that. the fiscal cliff is going cost the economy in that order of magnitude, 3 million jobs. we should not, not, not go over that cliff. now -- >> by the same token, though, his point about -- and i don't want to...
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going off that fiscal cliff. to this point most of the conversation has been focused on what happens in january, and for good reason. there's no deal in congress. tax rates go up for a lot of folks, all americans. and a $1.2 trillion worth of defense and spending cuts will be automatically enacted. excuse me, that fiscal cough i told you about. the alternative minimum tax kicks in and put it all together and the results are pretty. the economy would contract by half a percent in 2013. unemployment would raise to 9.1% and the economy would experience what cbo said would be judged as a recession. but after that, then things start to look pretty good. the cbo says after next year by the agency's estimates economic growth will pick up. the labor market will strengthen returning output to its potential level. 5.5% by 2018. essentially if no deal is struck, the federal government would be forced to do what it's refused to do willingly, make dramatic changes in taxes and spending. if those changes happen automatically,
going off that fiscal cliff. to this point most of the conversation has been focused on what happens in january, and for good reason. there's no deal in congress. tax rates go up for a lot of folks, all americans. and a $1.2 trillion worth of defense and spending cuts will be automatically enacted. excuse me, that fiscal cough i told you about. the alternative minimum tax kicks in and put it all together and the results are pretty. the economy would contract by half a percent in 2013....
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. >>> breaking news on the fiscal cliff. the gop saying they will agree to more tax revenue if something else happens. we'll tell what you that is. >>> where is john mcafee? the millionaire is still on the run in central america. le call in to the show this hour with how he has been surviving. it is an interview you will not want to miss. >>> plus, are you overtaxed? maybe. but not by uncle sam. we'll tell you why. >>> and why it may be the end of the road for detroit. one state senator's plan to dissolve the city. he is your guest. happy friday, everybody. mandy will be back on monday. i'm brian sullivan. thank you very much for joining us. >>> stocks relatively in a holding pattern again all ahead of the fiscal cliff. we're not seeing big moves. people unwilling to take bets. we're going to get to bob pisani in just a minute. >>> but first we need to get to eamon javers with some breaking headlines from mitch mcconnell on the fiscal cliff. eamon? >> brian, we're getting a trial balloon here just within the past couple of m
. >>> breaking news on the fiscal cliff. the gop saying they will agree to more tax revenue if something else happens. we'll tell what you that is. >>> where is john mcafee? the millionaire is still on the run in central america. le call in to the show this hour with how he has been surviving. it is an interview you will not want to miss. >>> plus, are you overtaxed? maybe. but not by uncle sam. we'll tell you why. >>> and why it may be the end of the road...
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you have washington elite chanting fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff, hoping to convince republicans to do something stupid because the alternative would be going off the fiscal cliff. it is and of people, the very people trying to bully us now. all you have to say is let's break it into 12, 15 foothills, no cliffs. now one by one, solve each of the smaller problem we get to some solutions. you don't have to panic over this i want to confess something. what i outlined for you, i copied from tip o'neil. when he was faced with ronald reagan in 1981, he knew he couldn't beat him in head-to-head negotiating but thought he could preserve the democratic party and welfare state in a long battle of attrition. o'neil who had a ran senate, republican president, used the power of house over and over again to slow the momentum. i think republicans got to understand they are not going to get any good deal from barack obama. he has contempt for them. he shows that on a regular basis. he's a hard-line left winger. they've got to think through the american people have chosen him he's going to be our presi
you have washington elite chanting fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff, hoping to convince republicans to do something stupid because the alternative would be going off the fiscal cliff. it is and of people, the very people trying to bully us now. all you have to say is let's break it into 12, 15 foothills, no cliffs. now one by one, solve each of the smaller problem we get to some solutions. you don't have to panic over this i want to confess something. what i outlined for you, i copied from tip...
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thank you. >> next, nancy pelosi answers fiscal cliff questions. this is about 20 minutes. >> good afternoon. i'm here today with my colleague. i invited him here to be with us this afternoon because yesterday i named tim to be the head of the leadership task force of election reform. i believe how we do our policy is directly related to -- it has a direct impact on the policies that we create in congress. our founders risked their lives and liberties and their sacred honor for a government of the many and not government of the money. john larson is the perfect person in that regard. first, i want to talk about the subject at hand. the president has his pen in hand. he is ready to sign the middle class income tax. a similar bill was introduced into the house at that time. since then, we have been asking republican leadership to bring middle income tax cuts to the floor. the clock is ticking. it is important for the tax legislation to happen now. we are calling on the republican leadership in the house to bring this legislation to the floor next wee
thank you. >> next, nancy pelosi answers fiscal cliff questions. this is about 20 minutes. >> good afternoon. i'm here today with my colleague. i invited him here to be with us this afternoon because yesterday i named tim to be the head of the leadership task force of election reform. i believe how we do our policy is directly related to -- it has a direct impact on the policies that we create in congress. our founders risked their lives and liberties and their sacred honor for a...
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this is obama's fiscal cliff. if the republicans cave, we'll have a fiscal cliff in about three or four years that's going to be the grand canyon. we're going to go collapsing. it's going to be awful. >> sean: i agree with you. >> we got to fight like william wallace in "brave heart." fight for america. we can win it in the next 30 days. >> sean: i'm with you. leslie, seriously, why can't we have some significant spending cuts now? the president, first of all, said he only wanted $800 billion when he was running, now he's doubled it, but there's no cuts. government can't find waste, fraud, abuse, cut back on their intoxication and power grab with spending? >> i agree that medicare is one program that has a lot of fraud. quite frankly the president has been very clear that they're going to be -- >> sean: when? when? >> democrats and republicans will have to suck it up. when you guys call caving in, i call compromise. >> sean: republicans compromise, cave, and -- >> we're not violating the tax pledge if we let somet
this is obama's fiscal cliff. if the republicans cave, we'll have a fiscal cliff in about three or four years that's going to be the grand canyon. we're going to go collapsing. it's going to be awful. >> sean: i agree with you. >> we got to fight like william wallace in "brave heart." fight for america. we can win it in the next 30 days. >> sean: i'm with you. leslie, seriously, why can't we have some significant spending cuts now? the president, first of all, said...
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ben, what is your fiscal cliff strategy? what do you want to do with your money in the economy does go off the fiscal cliff? >> yeah, we were worried about that back in september, october. so even though we like the equity markets going into 2013, we wanted to hedge ourselves a little bit, so we took money out of equities. didn't just put it into cash. we put it into three areas we think are still good long term. one is we talk about emerging market equities, but i like emerging market debt. these monetary authorities are done tightening. they fought the inflationary problem that they had successfully. they're in hoed. yield curves could shift down. we stress doing it in local currency. the other areas are u.s. high yield, which i still think is valuable. we do think spreads will contract and emerging market equities as well. >> jordan, what about you? how are you preparing for what could be an eventuality where we go over the cliff and we've got to deal with higher taxes and a slower economy? a lot of people expecting reces
ben, what is your fiscal cliff strategy? what do you want to do with your money in the economy does go off the fiscal cliff? >> yeah, we were worried about that back in september, october. so even though we like the equity markets going into 2013, we wanted to hedge ourselves a little bit, so we took money out of equities. didn't just put it into cash. we put it into three areas we think are still good long term. one is we talk about emerging market equities, but i like emerging market...
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cliff really a fiscal slope. if they come to a compromise the politicians in washington, both republicans and democrats are going to reduce the size of deficit reduction dramatically. my argument will be let's go right down that fiscal slope. let's raise the revenue and make the cuts that have to be made which nobody in washington is willing to make. and let's take a big bite out of the deficit and restore confidence to our markets. >> that's going to kill the economy. this is one of the things i agree with. >> it will not kill the economy. >> if you do those tax increases it will. >> i want to make sure. this is a little different point. i hear you on the fiscal cliff, howard. i appreciate respect of you as much as i may disagree. what's really at stake here, one of the things at stake here, steve moore, is the idea that changing taxes, for example raising tax rates on capital and dividend and private equity firms and individuals and small business, that that doesn't matter. and what i'm saying is, when you see
cliff really a fiscal slope. if they come to a compromise the politicians in washington, both republicans and democrats are going to reduce the size of deficit reduction dramatically. my argument will be let's go right down that fiscal slope. let's raise the revenue and make the cuts that have to be made which nobody in washington is willing to make. and let's take a big bite out of the deficit and restore confidence to our markets. >> that's going to kill the economy. this is one of the...
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fiscal cliff, 26 days away. christine romans explains how going over the cliff could affect you and your family. >> reporter: brooke, here's what the sequester could mean for domestic programs. fewer women and children with assistance and child care aid. cuts to education nearly 100,000 head start spots at risk. more than 25,000 teachers and teachers aids could lose their jobs and science and public research grants could be cut including in to cancer and childhood diseases. fewer americans could receive drug abuse treatment and $700 million slashed from the epa budget. cutting back of food inspection. disaster relief, omb says, quote, the federal emergency management administration's ability to respond would be undermined. and finally, from border patrol to hiring new fbi agents, correction officers, federal prosecutors, all could be scaled back. now, all of these cuts, brooke, don't happen exactly at 12:01 a.m. on january 2nd. they happen over the course of a year. but agencies are preparing for an impasse in w
fiscal cliff, 26 days away. christine romans explains how going over the cliff could affect you and your family. >> reporter: brooke, here's what the sequester could mean for domestic programs. fewer women and children with assistance and child care aid. cuts to education nearly 100,000 head start spots at risk. more than 25,000 teachers and teachers aids could lose their jobs and science and public research grants could be cut including in to cancer and childhood diseases. fewer...
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the week center on a big worry. >> this fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we could actually go off the fiscal cliff. >> we're facing a fiscal grand canyon. >> okay. so it's a big deal. question is can these guys strike a deal? >> i've got to repeat. i've got a pen. >> meantime, damage control for u.n. ambassador susan rice out to smooth things over with this week with republicans after those benghazi talking point. >> exextremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. >> it didn't work. now their talking points. >> we are significantly troubled. >> i want to say that i'm more troubled today. >> democrats shot back. >> they are not only blaming her for this intelligence report, they are trying to blame her for the actual tragic event. >> i've seen so much crazy stuff in this house could i write a book. >> or make an internet video. >> not be a true god-fearing person and be on a television show like that. >> that's actor angus t. jones, the "two and a half men" star caught slamming his own tv show. >> if you watch "two and a half men," please don't watch "two a
the week center on a big worry. >> this fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we could actually go off the fiscal cliff. >> we're facing a fiscal grand canyon. >> okay. so it's a big deal. question is can these guys strike a deal? >> i've got to repeat. i've got a pen. >> meantime, damage control for u.n. ambassador susan rice out to smooth things over with this week with republicans after those benghazi talking point. >>...
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i'm not sure that this fiscal cliff really is a fiscal cliff. i think that it changes the baseline. republicans get better negotiating position on the other side when they are not scared to death of their own shadow and fearful of not looking reasonable. to think that the same joker who is got us this compromise will somehow get us a better compromise is absolutely silly. some of these guys have been voted out by the american public. maybe we should wait until the new people who have been through this before and just through the campaign, when they come in and change, i just have a hard time believing this congress, the one that got us into the mess we are dealing with, will somehow field a way to get out of it. >> i understand what you're saying about waiting for the new people to come in, but many of the new people coming in and many of the old people still there are not economists, they are not experts on the economy. they are not experts on the fiscal cliff. if you speak to those who know, they will tell you it is a bad thing to go over that cliff. and still you're saying maybe
i'm not sure that this fiscal cliff really is a fiscal cliff. i think that it changes the baseline. republicans get better negotiating position on the other side when they are not scared to death of their own shadow and fearful of not looking reasonable. to think that the same joker who is got us this compromise will somehow get us a better compromise is absolutely silly. some of these guys have been voted out by the american public. maybe we should wait until the new people who have been...
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that's complicating the fiscal cliff discussions. mitch mcconnell yesterday proposed a vote on a measure that would give the president the authority to increase the debt ceiling without congressional input. this is something that the white house has proposed as part of their fiscal cliff proposal. it's a nonstarter for republicans. but he wanted to put it on the floor to show that even democrats don't support giving the president that kind of authority. he did that and harry reid turned around and said, let's see if we can do it with a simple majority for 51 votes and democrats it appeared had made sure they had that and then mitch mcconnell in return ended up objecting to the very thing he propose eed. take a listen. >> now the republican leader objects his own idea. i guess we have a filibuster of his own bill. >> so this was some maneuvering that went on. mitch mcconnell won the day when he proposed a vote overall on the entire fiscal cliff proposal and harry reid objected to it. it's a little bit of a back and forth going on in t
that's complicating the fiscal cliff discussions. mitch mcconnell yesterday proposed a vote on a measure that would give the president the authority to increase the debt ceiling without congressional input. this is something that the white house has proposed as part of their fiscal cliff proposal. it's a nonstarter for republicans. but he wanted to put it on the floor to show that even democrats don't support giving the president that kind of authority. he did that and harry reid turned around...
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subtract 3.5, that is a severe recession. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff with no policy changes the near-term negative economic consequences would be significant and most assuredly throw us into a recession. >> comes a day after treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc the white house is prepared to go the distance if its demands are not met. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again we see there's no agreement that done involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. remember it's only 2%. >> former senator alan simpson, co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, choice words and analysis for would-be cliff jumpers. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, wealthy it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. this is big-time stuff. >> surprising exactly no
subtract 3.5, that is a severe recession. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff with no policy changes the near-term negative economic consequences would be significant and most assuredly throw us into a recession. >> comes a day after treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc the white house is prepared to go the distance if its demands are not met. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again we...
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in the midst, and we'll talk about the fiscal cliff in a minute, about the midst of the fiscal cliff and who's doing what, this is a huge news story, dropped on capitol hill that seemed to take everybody by surprise. what's the reaction up there. >> reporter: the pieces that are less sprying look at the fact that republicans failed to reclaim majority, that always has an influence on how much power senators think they have if they're among the minority. jim demint said he would not seek another term. at some point there was a plan for him to forecast his future. the timing of doing it right now certainly caught people by surprise. but it also is a point where it tells you that he feels comfortable that the voice of objection on some things has been the seed has been filled here. he's got a mike lee of utah, rand paul of kentucky, who can fill some of the void that he would be leaving. it really is also, perhaps, good news for someone like mitch mcconnell, he can with his own reelections coming up not have the counterweight of jim demint's considerable presence within the chamber. so
in the midst, and we'll talk about the fiscal cliff in a minute, about the midst of the fiscal cliff and who's doing what, this is a huge news story, dropped on capitol hill that seemed to take everybody by surprise. what's the reaction up there. >> reporter: the pieces that are less sprying look at the fact that republicans failed to reclaim majority, that always has an influence on how much power senators think they have if they're among the minority. jim demint said he would not seek...
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more now on the fiscal cliff. one of the industries with the most at stake in the budget debate is the defense industry. in a meeting today in washington, northrop grumman ceo wes bush with a dire warning. >> it would result in across the board cuts to both defense and nondefense accounts. and the interesting thing about this is the cuts are not tied to any military strategy whatsoever. it is completely disconnected from a perspective of strategy. in essence these would be meat axe taken to our national defense budgets. >> let's go straight to the front lines of the issue. task specializes in systems, engineering and integrate. president and ceo david langstaff is with us, among the defense contractors speaking out today in washington. he joins me now on the telephone. sir, good to have on you the program. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. glad to be with you. >> what's the potential fallout for task if we go over the fiscal cliff. how would you navigate this? >> first, it's just terrible policy to go over the
more now on the fiscal cliff. one of the industries with the most at stake in the budget debate is the defense industry. in a meeting today in washington, northrop grumman ceo wes bush with a dire warning. >> it would result in across the board cuts to both defense and nondefense accounts. and the interesting thing about this is the cuts are not tied to any military strategy whatsoever. it is completely disconnected from a perspective of strategy. in essence these would be meat axe taken...
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some very insightful reporting. >>> 31 days out to the fiscal cliff. we will go live to see what the president is saying to house leaders and whether that will keep us any further away from the edge. >>> also, how did the president capture the latino vote? was it as simple as embracing immigration reform or was it something else? we'll talk about that, as well. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills.
some very insightful reporting. >>> 31 days out to the fiscal cliff. we will go live to see what the president is saying to house leaders and whether that will keep us any further away from the edge. >>> also, how did the president capture the latino vote? was it as simple as embracing immigration reform or was it something else? we'll talk about that, as well. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain...
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obama is taking his fiscal cliff plan to the people. will republicans buckle under public pressure? msnbc's political analyst michael eric dyson and democratic strategist donna gentile-o'donnell will weigh in on that tonight. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." president obama has put house speaker john boehner and republicans in a box on fiscal cliff negotiations. and the evidence is mounting. president obama stayed on offense today, visiting the santana family in northern virginia whose taxes will go up more than $4,000 in 2013 if middle class tax cuts aren't extended. >> i'm encouraged to see that there's been some discussion on the part of republicans acknowledging the need for additional revenue. as i've indicated, the only way to get the kind of revenue for a balanced deficit reduction plan is to make sure that we're also modestly increasing rates for people who can afford it. folks like me. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. >> the concerted
obama is taking his fiscal cliff plan to the people. will republicans buckle under public pressure? msnbc's political analyst michael eric dyson and democratic strategist donna gentile-o'donnell will weigh in on that tonight. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." president obama has put house speaker john boehner and republicans in a box on fiscal cliff negotiations. and the evidence is mounting. president obama stayed on offense today, visiting the santana family in northern...
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here we are on the edge of this fiscal cliff. a lot of people say if we go over, we're going to see dividend taxes go to 44% next year. do i really want a special dividend now if in a few weeks or in a month it's going to be an issue for me because i've got a 44% tax bill? >> i think you buy dividend stocks here. based on everything i'm reading, it seems like the white house, the democrats are willing to give up the high-dividend tax rate to get something. it seems like that's the first thing they're going to be flexible on. maybe the rate goes 20 to 25%. i don't think you see high 40s. >> that's capital gains. 15% is dividends, right? >> dividends. >> where does that go? >> i think the dividend tax rate, some people will believe it will go up significantly. i think the white house, at least on dividend gains, is going to be very flexible. i don't think you see the rate higher than 25%. >> if that happens, i think you'll probably not see a flood of companies move those dividends forward. if it's 43%, you'll see a flood going from
here we are on the edge of this fiscal cliff. a lot of people say if we go over, we're going to see dividend taxes go to 44% next year. do i really want a special dividend now if in a few weeks or in a month it's going to be an issue for me because i've got a 44% tax bill? >> i think you buy dividend stocks here. based on everything i'm reading, it seems like the white house, the democrats are willing to give up the high-dividend tax rate to get something. it seems like that's the first...
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. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fiscal cliff?" reports suggest, in some cases, not so serious. and also, joanne, what is the strategy here, and is there a risk like looking like you're not really negotiating? >> well, you know, i think what's interesting is that there's the posture that everyone is taking in public, but then what you're hearing behind the scenes is that everyone's sort of understands what the contours of the deal are going to look like. and what i see is john boehner trying to sort of protect his caucus at this point because he probably understands that at the end of the day, that top rate is going to go up. and republicans are in a really awkward position because right now essentially they're just defending the tax cut for the top 2%. at the same time, the white house's public posture is to say well, no, we don't want to go over the fiscal cliff because you don't want to send that message to the markets. but then behind the scenes you sort of get the feeling they'd be willing to do it and they'd be okay at least
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i think this brinksmanship about the budget and the fiscal cliff is all just fine. i don't want to go over the cliff. i think it would be irresponsible. >> does the president want to go over? we got to listen to all the republicans and the conservative media today are saying president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff because then taxes go up across the board. and then it's got to be done retroactively. >> which is not what the president wants, but there's a big difference between this fiscal cliff and the full faith and credit of the united states. the american government has never defaulted on its debt. and now there are some, not the majority of republicans but some on the extreme of the republican party and they seem to be in control, who seem to want to default on our debt. that's crazy. if they cannot be entrusted with the full faith and credit of the united states, they should not have that leverage. >> paul, where were the overtures though? where were the overtures with this deal that was presented? i mean, listen, you don't have to be mensa to know de
i think this brinksmanship about the budget and the fiscal cliff is all just fine. i don't want to go over the cliff. i think it would be irresponsible. >> does the president want to go over? we got to listen to all the republicans and the conservative media today are saying president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff because then taxes go up across the board. and then it's got to be done retroactively. >> which is not what the president wants, but there's a big difference...
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if we got the fiscal cliff. gerri: withhe dense cuts come if we do over the cliff, it will cost $100 million or over that? >> 137 million. gerri: would this put you into the red? >> it certainly could. we are still looking at obama's health care plan and what it will do to the sta budget. the federal strings are tied. i asked the president about this. the federal funds that come down to the state as you may cuts -- we can still have the strength attached to it. it doesn't give leeway to meet your unique circumstances in our state. we are all different. different budgets,ifferent employment rates, different constitutions, different laws. different styles of living and means within our budget. give us some flexibility. gerri: i expect you to be a little bit more upbeat about the fiscal cliff, but i have to tell you, you sound like a lot of people in washington today. concerns over whether these leaders can get together and find common ground and resolve this issue. it would be meaningful to stay like yours. govern
if we got the fiscal cliff. gerri: withhe dense cuts come if we do over the cliff, it will cost $100 million or over that? >> 137 million. gerri: would this put you into the red? >> it certainly could. we are still looking at obama's health care plan and what it will do to the sta budget. the federal strings are tied. i asked the president about this. the federal funds that come down to the state as you may cuts -- we can still have the strength attached to it. it doesn't give...
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to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice.
to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in...
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because joe biden is still our vice president and no fiscal cliff fights are going to stop him from a shopping blitz at washington's new costco super store. the veep came looking for pies and left with a television, books, fire logs, and a huge smile trailed by a horde of surprised shoppers. >> just walking through this store. get some guidance. >> you know, i have a feeling that the president may have missed his usual lunch partner at the midday meal today. joining us from washington is msnbc own historian the great chris matthews, the host of "hardball" and the author of quk jack kent, elusive hero," available now. highways t that's the advertising over. we learned the menu including white turkey chili and no humble pie after all. >> no dessert at all. i wondered about that double helping of poultry. what a strange meal. the turkey and then the chicken part. it's a strange meal. must have been dietary rules. i don't think that's a natural decision by the chef. strange meal. >> how do you think the meeting went though in truth? >> i think it's been screwed up because mr. romney, the
because joe biden is still our vice president and no fiscal cliff fights are going to stop him from a shopping blitz at washington's new costco super store. the veep came looking for pies and left with a television, books, fire logs, and a huge smile trailed by a horde of surprised shoppers. >> just walking through this store. get some guidance. >> you know, i have a feeling that the president may have missed his usual lunch partner at the midday meal today. joining us from...
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this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithne
this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the...
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take a look. >> what is the fiscal cliff? >> we're from new mexico out here to clean up. >> no idea. >> the cliff? how tall is it? >> i have no idea. >> where is it? >> can i google it? >> bad news. it's bad news. fiscal cliff. >>> end of the world, apparently, right. >> if you wanted to take one of these cliff bars, if you wanted to take one that tasted like the fiscal cliff. >> which one would you choose and why? the one that tastes like crap. >> we're all going to fall off the face of the earth. >> they need to fix it. that's what they're paid for. >> what happens if they don't? >> we're going to lose some money. >> it reminds me of something i learned in school, i'm going to guess some like of cliff, avalanche. >> how tall is it? >> i'd say at least like 370 some feet. >> i don't know. it sounds like something disgusting to eat or something. >> you heard of it? >> it's part of our economy going choooooooo. >> i'm pretty sure we don't have a fiscal cliff. >> we fell off of it. >> yes, we did. >> is it a dangerous cliff? >>
take a look. >> what is the fiscal cliff? >> we're from new mexico out here to clean up. >> no idea. >> the cliff? how tall is it? >> i have no idea. >> where is it? >> can i google it? >> bad news. it's bad news. fiscal cliff. >>> end of the world, apparently, right. >> if you wanted to take one of these cliff bars, if you wanted to take one that tasted like the fiscal cliff. >> which one would you choose and why? the one...
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but another fiscal cliff was on the horizon, and that is the debt. but they also want to do, timothy geithner said, we are going to take away from congress approval of raising the debt ceiling. we can do it on our own. that is an outrage. congress has the power of the not this president to spend more money we don't have. megyn: even alan colmes was on the programs they shouldn't get congressional approval for that. but where is the republican proposal? they say that they want to close loopholes and get rid of some deductions, but when it comes to big issues, which is paring back spending, what are they proposing? over the weekend, mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, he offered a few nuggets and i would like to get your thoughts. he said increase the medicare eligibility age, ask wealthier americans to pay higher medicare premiums. and possibly paring back the cost of living increases, giving to social security beneficiaries. those are three specific so we have heard so far from the gop side. what are your thoughts on that? >> i think that is
but another fiscal cliff was on the horizon, and that is the debt. but they also want to do, timothy geithner said, we are going to take away from congress approval of raising the debt ceiling. we can do it on our own. that is an outrage. congress has the power of the not this president to spend more money we don't have. megyn: even alan colmes was on the programs they shouldn't get congressional approval for that. but where is the republican proposal? they say that they want to close loopholes...
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that being said, before we talk about fiscal cliff, we'll get because the last fiscal cliff. we had another fiscal cliff types of new with the debt limit to create a center that led to this ridiculous idea that i voted against that let's put a bunch of bad things to happen at one time because that will force washington to do something. surprise, it didn't work. here we are again. so we have to issues. number one is an immediate term to avoid doing damage. that's to avoid doing harm. so we need to look for a way to accomplish that in the short term. then we have had a conversation about getting the fiscal house in order it's just fundamentally true. we spend a trillion dollars a year more than we take in to assist attack. i approached this issue that the only way we can get that in order is to rapid economic growth. there's no taxes to raise. what the presidential post does not raise enough revenue, but it will make a dent on job creation, particularly middle-class job creation. so that's why i oppose this blanket instead i think we should do real tax reform. if there are loop
that being said, before we talk about fiscal cliff, we'll get because the last fiscal cliff. we had another fiscal cliff types of new with the debt limit to create a center that led to this ridiculous idea that i voted against that let's put a bunch of bad things to happen at one time because that will force washington to do something. surprise, it didn't work. here we are again. so we have to issues. number one is an immediate term to avoid doing damage. that's to avoid doing harm. so we need...
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geithner announces he wants to go over the fiscal cliff. they have to understand the person they are negotiating with he views it more through ideology than the economy. in his view, it's the equivalent of a grain of sand on the beach. even if he gets what he wants wishes is to raise the top rates from 35% to 39.6%, the revenues would merely fund this governor for roughly 8 days. it would hardly make a dent in the yearly deficit and not even a chip of a cent off the debt. he said he would rather go over the fiscal cliff than not to raise tax rates. so obama pushing higher taxes on the top 2%, not for economic reasons but for i'd logical reasons but there is also this obvious fact. obama wants to raise the top rates for political reasons. now that is he wants to force republicans to raise tacks in order to trigger a civil war within the gop and the conservative movement, and in that respect sadly obama is having some success. now so long as this debate is focused not on cutting spending but on raising daxs and revenues with the only question
geithner announces he wants to go over the fiscal cliff. they have to understand the person they are negotiating with he views it more through ideology than the economy. in his view, it's the equivalent of a grain of sand on the beach. even if he gets what he wants wishes is to raise the top rates from 35% to 39.6%, the revenues would merely fund this governor for roughly 8 days. it would hardly make a dent in the yearly deficit and not even a chip of a cent off the debt. he said he would...
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>> everyone talks about the fiscal cliff. i referred to it as the fiscal speedbump. no matter what happens, we are not going to revert a tax increase in some kind of drag on economic activity next year. even if there is no grand bargain that we are all talking about, the shrinking of the federal deficit, whether by spending cuts or tax increases, it will be a drag on economic growth for the next few years. dagen: is that what you have 1.63 roughly on the ten year? >> the federal reserve is drunk. while back the fed is distorting the bond work it. dagen: does it make sense that the fed is likely to continue the bond buying into the next year? does that make any sense on the planet? >> well, look, i thought qe1 was absolutely essential. qe2 i understood why we did it. qe3, i do not get it. i think the fed is making a mistake here. they could have achieved the same or even a better objective by following a different policy. this is the path we are on. doctor bernanke is obviously completely preoccupied with the risks of having a depression and he is throwing as much mon
>> everyone talks about the fiscal cliff. i referred to it as the fiscal speedbump. no matter what happens, we are not going to revert a tax increase in some kind of drag on economic activity next year. even if there is no grand bargain that we are all talking about, the shrinking of the federal deficit, whether by spending cuts or tax increases, it will be a drag on economic growth for the next few years. dagen: is that what you have 1.63 roughly on the ten year? >> the federal...
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tell me where you stand on fiscal cliff. what's going to happen here, congresswoman? >> well, i am hoping because i'm the kind of person that always worked across the aisle. in fact on my foreign-ones committee, kay granger and i have been called the odd couple, we work well together. i've spoken to hal rodgers, chairman of the appropriations committee, i'm optimist being that we can sit at the table and get these things done. comprehensive tax reform is going to take longer, but we can make sure that the middle class keeps its tax cuts. we can make sure we target some waste. you can have across-the-board cuts. we have to have a very clear plan to cut back on certain areas. we can't cut back on programs that benefit the working and the middle class. we have to make sure our kids are educated. we have to make sure they have health care. but there are places in the bill that we can cut, and we don't want to do it with a sledge hammer. we're wise enough to be able to use a scalpel. so, again, i hope that we can sit together, work something out and do it soon. frankly, th
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who do you trust to handle the fiscal cliff? 48% believe president obama and republicans will reach an agreement but 43% say they won't. meantime, president obama is giving a stern warning to republicans who may be trying to use the debt ceiling as leverage. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> we should say that the president and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone yesterday. that was the first time in a week. no one is saying what the conversation was about. shortly after that call treasury secretary tim geithner went on cnbc and said the white house is ready to go off the cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on
who do you trust to handle the fiscal cliff? 48% believe president obama and republicans will reach an agreement but 43% say they won't. meantime, president obama is giving a stern warning to republicans who may be trying to use the debt ceiling as leverage. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until...
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from going over the fiscal cliff. staff and speaker john boehner's office telling fox business the lines of communication open, but it's an empty house in washington. look at these pictures. house members on their long weekend break, and the senate is out until monday, but not before working out logistics for a big event. a private screening of steven spielberg's lincoln at the capital. now, harry reid using his time to take a special waiver to allow unbuttered popcorn in the auditorium. that's what passes for work these days. the president's holding another campaign style event as the middle class families, and with more, michael burgess of texas. congressman, great to have you object show again. >> great to be with you, thank you. gerri: everything's hanging in the banse, economy, middle class income, taxes, you name it, and you and your fellow house members are not going to work. >> well, wait, this is a 24-hour day job, seven days a week. i'm in new york tomorrow looking at the hospitals affected in hurricane sand
from going over the fiscal cliff. staff and speaker john boehner's office telling fox business the lines of communication open, but it's an empty house in washington. look at these pictures. house members on their long weekend break, and the senate is out until monday, but not before working out logistics for a big event. a private screening of steven spielberg's lincoln at the capital. now, harry reid using his time to take a special waiver to allow unbuttered popcorn in the auditorium. that's...
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so that will put him front and center in the fiscal cliff debate. also earns him a meeting today with the current treasury secretary, tim geithner. cnn's kate ballolduan on capito hill, day 33, eek, 33 days, tim geithner kicking into this process. we would assume possibly pushing into high gear or more of a photo op or a little bit of both? >> reporter: it remains to be seen. i hate having to say that for our viewers, but we're waiting to hear exactly what comes out of these meetings. important, nonetheless, because these are face-to-face meetings with principle players, timothy guide next the treasury secretary, tapped by the president to be the point person to spearhead the negotiations with congress over these fiscal cliff negotiations. we had had a brief shot of him arriving this morning as he was coming into the capitol. he's being joined by rob neighbors, the white house liaison to congress. he's a man that has long standing relationships with folks on capitol hill. series of meetings, all individual meetings, senator reid, told by my colleagu
so that will put him front and center in the fiscal cliff debate. also earns him a meeting today with the current treasury secretary, tim geithner. cnn's kate ballolduan on capito hill, day 33, eek, 33 days, tim geithner kicking into this process. we would assume possibly pushing into high gear or more of a photo op or a little bit of both? >> reporter: it remains to be seen. i hate having to say that for our viewers, but we're waiting to hear exactly what comes out of these meetings....
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fiscal cliff, no fiscal cliff, that will be good for gold. investors will look for a safe haven and alternative to the u.s. dollar and they will be buying these assets. kind of a word of advise. ashley: interesting. tracy: sandy, while you were at the cme last week you said guys were saying 95 to $100 on oil. that is the consensus all around. >> keep watching that guy. we're near 90 bucks again. tracy: thank you, sandra. >> thank you. ashley: investors watching the latest developments on the fiscal cliff plus new taak that the fed, guess what, will continue its bond buying programs next year. for more on the markets, i'm joined by bob pavlick, chief market strategist at banyon partners. bob, thanks so much for being here. let's get to the fed issue here. so what is what i say. they will expand or continue the program of buying assets. what impact will this have if any? >> operation twist what they call it. sell short paper and buy long term bonds in order, in an effort to try to continue to keep long-term interest rates low. really what it is
fiscal cliff, no fiscal cliff, that will be good for gold. investors will look for a safe haven and alternative to the u.s. dollar and they will be buying these assets. kind of a word of advise. ashley: interesting. tracy: sandy, while you were at the cme last week you said guys were saying 95 to $100 on oil. that is the consensus all around. >> keep watching that guy. we're near 90 bucks again. tracy: thank you, sandra. >> thank you. ashley: investors watching the latest...
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>> no one wants to go over the fiscal cliff. worse would be for the president to sign a bad bill. >> all right. alan krueger, chairman of the president's counscil on economi advisers. mr. krueger, nice to see you that month. i'll see you next month, i promise. >> thank you, chuck. >>> trivia time, jim demint's decision to step down 0 means south carolina will have two seats on the ballot in 2014. who was elected the last time both of south carolina's senate seats were on the ballot in the same election? strom thurmond, of course, and the longest serving junior senator perhaps in the history of america, fritz hollings. senator thurmond won re-election and hollings, the form earp governor at the time, won a special to fill a seat left empty when johnston died. we'll be right back. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's no
>> no one wants to go over the fiscal cliff. worse would be for the president to sign a bad bill. >> all right. alan krueger, chairman of the president's counscil on economi advisers. mr. krueger, nice to see you that month. i'll see you next month, i promise. >> thank you, chuck. >>> trivia time, jim demint's decision to step down 0 means south carolina will have two seats on the ballot in 2014. who was elected the last time both of south carolina's senate seats were...
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that's part of the reason we want to avoid the fiscal cliff. it's actually too much deficit reduck sln too quickly in the wrong parts of the budget. you want a more thoughtful, thought out plan. on your point about the debt ceiling, we what we need is to have certainty, know where we're headed. not have multiple showdowns but the debt ceiling is only going to be increased significantly if it goes hand in hand with a big enough deal which has real changes in the budget. so the best thing we could do is put in place a balanced plan deals with all parts of the budget and really provides the kind of sense of security that households, small businesses, everybody needs to know so we can start planning for the economy and hopefully getting things growing back again. one of the things you see is that when your debt levels are as high as they are, in this country right now, that's a tamp on economic growth and can harm growth. that's the point we're at. we know that part of a growth strategy will have to be getting control of these deficits and debt and
that's part of the reason we want to avoid the fiscal cliff. it's actually too much deficit reduck sln too quickly in the wrong parts of the budget. you want a more thoughtful, thought out plan. on your point about the debt ceiling, we what we need is to have certainty, know where we're headed. not have multiple showdowns but the debt ceiling is only going to be increased significantly if it goes hand in hand with a big enough deal which has real changes in the budget. so the best thing we...
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my view is there is no fiscal cliff or debt cliff. there is a political cliff and he wants to push the republicans off. the debate is how much do republicans will surrender and then get blamed by their party or how much they won't surrender and get blamed for a recession. i have to say for president obama as bad as it looks it may be a winning hand. >> he's certainly playing the hand of someone who as he said in his press conference won the election. there is no compromise here. i think there is a fiscal cliff and there is a political cliff. the president has the upper hand. taxes go up in the way his base want on wealthy people and what he wants to do is say if you don't go along with me you republicans are responsible for raising taxes on the middle class and will be responsible for the recession that's almost certain to come. >> there is no serious debating over avoiding the fiscal cliff. it's a political fight. this is a democratic party that hasn't passed a budget in years. the press corps is on the same page. everyone is asking
my view is there is no fiscal cliff or debt cliff. there is a political cliff and he wants to push the republicans off. the debate is how much do republicans will surrender and then get blamed by their party or how much they won't surrender and get blamed for a recession. i have to say for president obama as bad as it looks it may be a winning hand. >> he's certainly playing the hand of someone who as he said in his press conference won the election. there is no compromise here. i think...
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treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think they're going to wait for the debt ceiling crisis that they're going to create with their leverage. but it seems to me that they have more incentive to blame the democrats for rising taxes on everybody, and then come back and pass that middle class tax cut. i think we're going to see the sun setting of the bush tax cuts. i just don't see how the tea partyers essentially can do a preemptive basically pre- preemptive before the taxes go back up. >> eliot: charles, do you agree with sam? once the tax cuts have expired maybe they pass the tax cut for 98% but then use their
treaty about disability or what they're saying by the fiscal cliff. we're seeing an important shift in their strategy. i think at the end of the day john boehner is going to decide it makes more sense to pass the senate bill, extending the tax cut to 98% saying to the public at large we're not going to deny you that but we're not going to pass the debt ceiling increase. on that they'll hang tougher seeking to extract something from the white house. >> i agree with half of that. i think...
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it's not a fiscal cliff but a slope. it's a gradual one. >> stooe, it's not right on to talk about people when they're right there. have some manners. do it behind their back. really, it's got for morale. there's a study and everything. >> if you can't say something nice to something, come on over here and tell it to me. no worries, you're among friends here. it's "the cycle." >>> two big developments on the economic front. first the unemployment numbers for november came out and they were way better than expected. we added a net gain of 146,000 jobs and the unemployment rate dropped to 7.7%, the lowest in four years. to steal a little from krystal, it appears it's obama and boehner one on one. there's no i in team but there's one in win, which is why the fiscal slope negotiations are getting serious. we haven't heard yet from the president but have heard from speaker boehner. >> this isn't a progress report, because there's no progress to report. the white house has wasted another week. it's time for the president, if h
it's not a fiscal cliff but a slope. it's a gradual one. >> stooe, it's not right on to talk about people when they're right there. have some manners. do it behind their back. really, it's got for morale. there's a study and everything. >> if you can't say something nice to something, come on over here and tell it to me. no worries, you're among friends here. it's "the cycle." >>> two big developments on the economic front. first the unemployment numbers for...
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i am concerned not only about the farming cliff, but the overall fiscal cliff. we need america to come together. we need to create more jobs in america like we have done here in nebraska, as you know. we have 3.8% unemployment rate here in nebraska. i want you to know that i have talk to our farmers and ranchers. they are prepared to take their fair share of budget reductions if it will put america a better economic shape. liz: i know. i know. do you think it will happen? it does not look overall at the moment, governor. >> it does not. the president needs to lead just like the governor's lead in their states. they ought to stay together as long as it takes to develop a framework for a real positive solution to move forward regarding the fiscal challenges we face. the two of them need to sit down, get it worked out and put america first. liz: you governors and what we have learned from delaware and rhode island and pennsylvania and utah, all of you have been so kind to come on the show, is that you cannot wait to have this very delicate ballet dance that they se
i am concerned not only about the farming cliff, but the overall fiscal cliff. we need america to come together. we need to create more jobs in america like we have done here in nebraska, as you know. we have 3.8% unemployment rate here in nebraska. i want you to know that i have talk to our farmers and ranchers. they are prepared to take their fair share of budget reductions if it will put america a better economic shape. liz: i know. i know. do you think it will happen? it does not look...
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is the fiscal cliff a buying turnlt? because today, goldman, saying that all of this is going to pass, we're going to get growth of 10.9%. and 12% in the market on prices next year and they'll rise . >> i think people are going to rotate from protecting the value of their portfolio. >> i think people have been very significantly focused on not losing money. and so they have held cash, they have held more conservative investments. i think it's made sense to. there's been tremendous uncertainty. and for the record, i don't think the uncertainty is necessarily going to melt away, whether we get a fiscal cliff deal or not. what i do think we're starting to see is you have the largers economies in the developed world, all throughout europe, and japan, during sandy, a lot of what happened tot the bank of japan, you have central bans that are going to work with governments. chairman bernanke hasn't even commented on it himself, that there's an incentives to weaken their currency. they're going to own stocks to protect that. >>
is the fiscal cliff a buying turnlt? because today, goldman, saying that all of this is going to pass, we're going to get growth of 10.9%. and 12% in the market on prices next year and they'll rise . >> i think people are going to rotate from protecting the value of their portfolio. >> i think people have been very significantly focused on not losing money. and so they have held cash, they have held more conservative investments. i think it's made sense to. there's been tremendous...